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Mount Denali

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Latest comment: 7 months ago15 comments11 people in discussion
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Discussion goes against moratorium established on page and violates WP:NOTAFORUM.Turnagra (talk) 09:22, 5 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

Why isn't it referred to as "Mount Denali", so we can start building mnemonic memory within the global celebration of this peak in Alaska? 2601:601:700:8814:531F:E9BC:67A2:867D (talk) 06:02, 9 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

Having "Mount Denali" as article title has been discussed in the past [1] but it hasn't caught on. Not sure I understand what "building mnemonic memory within the global celebration" means, but it doesn't sound like anything WP considers when deciding the title for an article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:24, 9 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
Denali and Mount Denali are interchangable in the English vernacular, so hence: beautiful Denali. Case in point, down in Washington State, Rainier and Mount Rainier are interchangable also in English vernacular. You can say simply: beautiful Rainier. Notice that I didn't refer to the English language here. No need for Mount in this WP article's title, Thank You. KeithBalter (talk) 06:46, 9 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
The correct question is why isn't this article entitled Mount McKinley since the current U.S. President reverted the naming change of a prior president from 10 years earlier. To the vast majority of Americans, this mountain has been called Mount McKinley for 125 years. ~2025-31873-85 (talk) 07:38, 28 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
If you see the thread below this one, there is a (now closed) discussion on that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:59, 28 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
The state of Alaska has officially referred to it as Denali since the 70s. This is the common name, so that is what wikipedia uses. EllieDellie (talk) 18:48, 25 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
That had nothing to do with Presidents Obama and Trump, and taking a "side." Sure, that's believable. ~2025-43558-66 (talk) 18:44, 28 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Neither of those presidents were politically influential in 1975, so I'm not sure what exactly you're arguing, but the way you're arguing it is approaching WP:NPA territory, so do please mind yourself. EllieDellie (talk) 18:53, 28 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Actually it is, the Wikipedia article changed as soon as Obama changed its federal designation, not waiting for it to become the common name ~2026-75917-2 (talk) 20:12, 3 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
The state of Alaska ≠ the world. As one of the seven summits it has always been referred to as Mount McKinley till 2015. A European, I learned of the name Denali only in 2015. ~2025-41904-12 (talk) 16:51, 4 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
No, its the native Alaskan people vs the white invaders who just intalled a flag with a different name on it. --Denniss (talk) 18:13, 4 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
This is an ignorant inflammatory statement, and unhelpful in solving this argument. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:07, 4 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
A simple correction to the wrong comparison the IP used. --Denniss (talk) 20:19, 4 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
The comparison isn't wrong, because Wikipedia isn't a platform for nationalist activism. The fact that the only worldwide known name was Mount McKinley is simply reality, whether you like it or not. ~2025-41904-12 (talk) 07:38, 5 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2026

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Latest comment: 14 days ago5 comments4 people in discussion

It's absurd the names of objects are based on the governments who control the names in this case it's Mt. McKinley so change it now no more excuses and even AP admits it's Mt. McKinley stop it with this far left ideology refusing to recognize what is obvious! Change it now absurd that is resisted based on Anti-american sentiment. No more waiting change it now once and for all Google Search changed it, AP recognized it, and the the government recognized it! No more waiting. ~2026-28388-2 (talk) 01:12, 14 January 2026 (UTC)Reply

i request immediately that Denali be moved to Mt. McKinley there is no eucse the last discussion was sabotaged by far left anti American extremists who don't want it recognized as Mt McKinley as everyone from AP to Google (Alphabet) to the government recognizes please move it now thank you. And don't let those liars who make the false that no man beleives claim that people refer to to Denali even before the government admitted it Mt. McKinley nobody expect leftists who don't recognize Alaska as American says it was Denali. ~2026-28388-2 (talk) 01:16, 14 January 2026 (UTC)Reply
 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before creating an edit request. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:36, 14 January 2026 (UTC)Reply
Why should there be any consensus? Mount McKinley is in Denali National Park. National parks are US Federal land and therefore the naming rights are exclusive to the US Federal Government. The whims and desires of the state encompassing the national park (or its people) are irrelevant. While anybody can call anything whatever they want, to be accurate a "trusted" source must always provide absolutely correct information. ~2026-32240-78 (talk) 21:46, 29 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Why are the rules at Wikipedia rendered into suggestions the moment it runs against the grain of political thought? Wikipedias guidelines and the people enforcing them selectively are a farce
~2026-46965-09 (talk) 23:50, 28 August 2026 (UTC)Reply

NISAR’s View of Mount Rainier

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Latest comment: 5 months ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Here is the JPL's Photojournal of NISAR’s View of Mount Rainier (Denali). Rjluna2 (talk) 16:21, 1 April 2026 (UTC)Reply

Mount Rainier has nothing to do with Denali/McKinley. Schazjmd (talk) 16:27, 1 April 2026 (UTC)Reply

Moratorium over, Mt McKinley has been used more often

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Latest comment: 5 days ago35 comments16 people in discussion

It is the end of the climbing season, and Mt McKinley has been used on first reference on the several deaths which occurred this year. Examples:

  • https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/rescuers-try-to-reach-4-climbers-who-fell-on-mount-mckinley-in-alaska
  • https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/05/us/national-park-service-ranger-dead-mount-mckinley.html

https://abcnews.com/US/search-underway-after-4-climbers-fall-tallest-mountain/story?id=133419433

  • https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/may/30/climbers-die-alaska-mount-mckinley
  • https://www.alaskasnewssource.com/2026/06/19/its-pretty-amazing-climber-summits-50-high-points-sets-out-next-ambitious-goal/
  • https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/06/06/national-park-service-ranger-dies-mount-mckinley/90435012007/
  • https://explorersweb.com/rangers-death-on-mt-mckinley-marks-fourth-of-the-season/
  • https://www.youralaskalink.com/news/local/national-park-service-ranger-dies-after-fall-into-crevasse-on-mount-mckinley/article_3ae4c00a-45e4-4730-ad4e-44bdbd04b5df.html
  • https://www.newsminer.com/news/local_news/climbing-rangers-respond-to-two-climbing-accidents-on-mount-mckinley/article_de31d9f4-5431-4a30-89ca-abd9c4b18854.html

The Anchorage Daily News is still pretty stubborn at calling the mountain Denali but other Alaska journalists such as the Fairbank Daily News-Miner, Alaska's News Source (KTUU/KAUU-TV, the CBS and NBC affiliates in Anchorage), and Your Alaska Link (KTBY/KYUR, the Fox and ABC affiliates in Anchorage) have switched to Mt. McKinley. So has the Associated Press, New York Times, and all the major networks. I don't have time to manage a move, and I think it will probably require the same amount of documentation and effort that it took to move Twitter over to X. But some of the people who were clamoring in years past to move the page should probably do it. Calwatch (talk) 23:24, 27 August 2026 (UTC)Reply

Thanks. It's been awhile since I heard Denali in local schools too, except in a historical aspect. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:04, 28 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
Lake Ontario next? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:51, 28 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
Unlike "Gulf of America" and "Lake America", Mount McKinley isn't an invention of Trump's, but an old established name every textbook called the mountain until 2015. Glasfaser Wien (talk) 15:08, 28 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
No argument, I just linked it because readers of this thread might find it interesting. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:37, 28 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
For balance. As noted, Anchorage Daily News continue to use the local/native name, as do Alaska Public Media, so that's a 2-3 split amongst the local news in favour of McKinley for the time being, which in the scheme of things is pretty narrow. The word "stubborn" is inappropriate. That's their style guide, they're entitled to do that! There still seems to be a lot of Denali usage within the travel/climbing press, even though a good portion of mainstream news like ABC and PBS have reverted to McKinley. Three Latvian climbers died on the mountain this year and FWIW the Baltic/Latvian press seems to have used Denali.
  • https://www.adn.com/outdoors-adventure/2026/06/12/denalis-toll-north-americas-highest-peak-logs-5-deaths-in-2-weeks-including-rare-loss-of-a-climbing-ranger/
  • https://alaskapublic.org/news/2026-05-29/3-denali-climbers-who-fell-near-treacherous-pass-are-dead-1-rescued
  • https://press.lv/post/denali-zabral-tryoh-alpinistov-iz-latvii-stali-izvestny-detali-padeniya
  • https://eng.lsm.lv/article/society/society/30.07.2026-latvian-climber-who-survived-fall-on-denali-returns-to-riga.a656891/
  • https://bnn-news.com/we-did-everything-we-could-denali-expedition-member-speaks-about-the-tragedy-280802
  • https://www.nationalparkstraveler.org/2026/06/bodies-four-climbers-taken-denali-denali-national-park
  • https://www.climbing.com/news/denali-ranger-robin-pendery-dies-in-crevasse-fall/
  • https://swikblog.com/denali-fall-kills-3-climbers-survivor-rescued/
  • https://snowbrains.com/denali-climbers-die-fall-denali-pass-alaska/
Local student papers:
  • https://www.uafsunstar.com/community/postcard-from-salmonfest
  • https://www.thenorthernlight.org/stories/denali-is-alaskan-mount-mckinley-is-a-stranger
It is also important to note that press coverage is not the only relevant form of usage.
Lonely Planet continues to use Denali:
  • https://www.lonelyplanet.com/points-of-interest/denali/1466634
  • https://www.lonelyplanet.com/points-of-interest/denali-national-park-preserve/1250802 (Refers to Mt as Denali, not just park)
Rough Guides is currently a mix:
  • https://www.roughguides.com/usa/alaska/denali-national-park/ (refers to McKinley)
  • https://www.roughguides.com/article/hardest-mountains-to-climb/#6-hardest-climb-in-north-america-denali-alaska-usa (calls the mountain Denali)
Other guides continue to use Denali:
  • https://www.discoverwildlife.com/animal-facts/denali-national-park-alaska
  • https://discoveralaska.info/destinations/denali-national-park/
  • https://globalsummitguide.com/denali-death-rate/
As has been the case for some decades of course, the Alaskan State Government continues to call the mountain Denali and rejects the imposed name of McKinley. But that's why we're here in the first place.
EDIT (30-10-2026):
  • Google Trends appears to show a frankly astonishing preference for Denali in the US.
  • Google ngrams data (only available to 2022) shows Denali was more common even in the decade before Obama had it changed.
Hemmers (talk) 15:16, 28 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
Since when has wikipedia been based on the local name for something instead of the name used with consistency across reputable sources. ~2026-47145-86 (talk) 13:57, 30 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
Both are consistently used across reputable sources. Which is rather the problem! Both are also recognised as the "official" name by different, legitimate and undisputed governments - the legitimacy and jurisdiction of the Alaskan State Government is not in question. It's not a government in exile or anything.
WP uses the most commonly used name, not necessarily the "official" name (which in this case is ambiguous anyway). In determining WP:COMMONNAME, we consider all usage to determine what is the most common (clearly both are in routine usage by reputable local, national and international sources). This is a broad and somewhat subjective operation. The New York Times is neither more or less significant than the Times of London, Le Monde or Alaska Public Media. National does not necessarily trump local, just as international does not necessarily trump national. In terms of broad usage, the only times the NYT or WaPo are likely to reference this particular mountain at all is either because the White House is having a tantrum (when they're reporting on Washington politics rather than the mountain itself. The mountain itself is actually secondary to the politics/trade war/whatever. Just collateral damage!), or because there's been a big enough climbing disaster that it merits national coverage (which is why Latvian newspapers have referred to it this year - some Latvian climbers died on it). Local newspapers are likely to write about the mountain more frequently than New York, Arizona or Washington newspapers in respect of climbing, weather, tourism, etc and so the "local name" is quite relevant in terms of assessing volume/most-used. Similarly, travel guides and climbing websites refer to it more than mainstream news outlets. The fact that Rough Guides, Discover Alaska and climbing.com use one form, is at least as significant as the NYT or USAToday using the other form. This is not to say we shouldn't revert to McKinley, but it's not the case that it's some sort of white-wash or self-evident conclusion. There is continuing significant and reputable usage of Denali.
It is also notable that WP prefers STABILITY. This is why the McKinley title stuck so long - the article was created by someone who preferred McKinley, and in the absence of a clear resolution to the dispute, the community left it as-is. If someone had made it as Denali, it might always have been that way. When Obama instructed the naming board to have a look at it on behalf of the Alaskan Senators, it seemed the dispute was resolved for good and so the article title was changed. Trump is now taking personal umbrage with anything Obama touched, but it seems unlikely that it will last - a future president is likely to appease the Alaskans by reversing this EO. Obviously we don't have a WP:CRYSTALBALL, but per the principle of stability, we're also not running around flicking article titles back and forth based on short-term political onanism, which is why we've had moratoriums and just sat tight pending incontrovertible evidence (or as good as we can get) of McKinley being the truly COMMON name.Hemmers (talk) 21:15, 30 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
Trends / Ngrams on "Denali" doesn't really tell us much about the name of the mountain since use in that context is swamped by references to, e.g., the GMC Denali. Compare to Silverado: https://trends.google.com/explore?q=silverado%2Cdenali%2CKatahdin&date=now%201-d&geo=US
(Katahdin added as a reference mountain) Jbt89 (talk) 00:39, 2 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Since Trump decided to rename Lake Ontario, place names by the current US administration should no longer be seen as neutral but as a political and partisan. If this article is being moved, it should be moved to the native name Deenaalee. Thomas (talk) 14:55, 30 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
If Donald trump does something unilaterally, thats one thing. When reputable sources follow, so should wikipedia ~2026-47145-86 (talk) 18:25, 30 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
Of course, there’s an increasingly difficult question of what sources are considered reputable under Trump, since media is self-censoring to avoid losing access (AP got booted for refusing to tow the line on “Gulf of America”) or to avoid harm to their owner’s other interests (see: WaPo and Bezos). That is a broader issue of course for WP:RS. At what point might notionally-independent titles be considered “state-controlled media”. Not quite there yet, but with certain US titles doing their best to act as client media for the administration (lest they lose WH press accreditation), the idea of a free press is under threat, which then knocks onto whether published press usage actually reflects real world usage (e.g. Pravda uses very particular words/language that regular Russians don’t). Hemmers (talk) 11:26, 31 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
  • Move to Mount McKinley - It's time. Denali wasn't even the most common name a year ago, but it certainly isn't now. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:50, 30 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
  • Keep as is - no need for more Trumpcruft. --Denniss (talk) 20:17, 30 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
    No need for political bias here either. We had that with the original move to Denali and we don't need it again. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:35, 30 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
    This is a bad argument. We move things based on their abundance of sources, not to stick it to Trump. — Czello (music) 09:28, 31 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
  • Move to Mount McKinley - The USA faces the world as a nation state, no a collection of states, the nation's name for the mountain is Mount McKinley. Halbared (talk) 21:20, 30 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
  • Move to Mount McKinley - Mount McKinley always has been the better-known name for the mountain, including after the abrupt renaming to Denali in 2015. When we learned the names of the Seven Summits the highest mountain of North America was "Mount McKinley". I didn't hear of the name Denali at all until 2015, and the mountain kept being called Mount McKinley even after the 2015 change by many. Glasfaser Wien (talk) 07:21, 31 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
  • Anyone of those who thinks this page should be moved, Start a new WP:RM#CM and do it correctly. Any bolded !votes in this thread are pretty much a waste of time and energy. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:38, 31 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
    Baloney. It's doesn't have to be done that way. Per WP:RM "The requested moves process is not mandatory, and sometimes an informal discussion at the article's talk page can help reach consensus. This is us reaching consensus the old fashioned way. Fyunck(click) (talk) 08:18, 31 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
On highly controversial and politically fueled moves a RM is required. --Denniss (talk) 08:26, 31 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
Per above, the only one showing political bias in their decision making is you. This is a source generated move discussion. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:31, 31 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
I think you're wrong in this particular case. CTOP, Trump, 3 RM:s last year, moratorium, it's pretty much all the talkpage is about, AN, etc. WP:RM#CM is the way to go, and attempts to move the article without that will not succeed. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:52, 31 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
I've seen these moves succeed many times over two decades. I guess we'll see. Thus far it's a snowball to move to McKinley but that can change. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:31, 31 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
You've complained several times over the past few years that, in your view, due process wasn't followed with the move to Denali. It's hypocritical to ignore said process now that the discussion is going the way you like. Turnagra (talk) 20:41, 31 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
I complained in the past that we originally went against policy. That politics took over from the policy of common name and that the same was not done when the name changed back. That was hypocritical in my book. As far as "going the way I like" the week is young and I expect that to change. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:16, 31 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
Agree, we'll see. You/anyone can always post a request for closure at WP:RFCL at some point. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:18, 1 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
  • Move to Mount McKinley per the abundance of sourcing above. — Czello (music) 09:29, 31 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
  • Keep as is, sources use both as shown above. Zaathras (talk) 22:28, 31 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
  • Keep as is Per above. Both seem to still be used about the same. Maybe having the title feature both could work as a compromise? 🌻SunflowerWizard🌻 (talk) 05:28, 1 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
    No, on en-WP it's pretty much one title to rule them all. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:36, 2 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
  • Please stop !voting. If you want to move this article, please open an RM. BilledMammal (talk) 04:15, 2 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
    As the person who kicked this off, I would support a RM if someone can go through the different media outlets in Alaska and how they referred to the mountain during the most recent climbing season. Currently I only see Alaska Public Media and the Anchorage Daily News calling it Mt. McKinley (notwithstanding school newspapers which will take the Alaska state government's preference). But, I don't have time to go through the list. Calwatch (talk) 22:57, 2 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
    It doesn't really matter what local Alaskan media outlets refer to Mount McKinley as so much as what "consensus" from reliable sources refer to it as, which historically has always been Mount McKinley first and the native Inuit name Denali second. So a move is warranted. ~2026-47833-21 (talk) 16:52, 4 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
    Can someone do a RM though? I don't have the time to manage this. Calwatch (talk) 16:40, 6 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Renaming the article

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Latest comment: 4 days ago2 comments2 people in discussion

W8kipeida,

I am very concerned that President Trumps name changing has gone too far. I want the article changed back to Mount McKinley from Denali. Mount Denali doesn’t make any sense. Please kindly change it back. KhaliltheHistorian985 (talk) 13:49, 7 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

See thread directly above this one. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:06, 8 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

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