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Example of Italianate ecclesiastical pronunciation

Why does the example have close e in mysterium from Latin long e, but open o in gloriosi from Latin long o? Also, the article names a lack of distinction between open and close vowels in Italianate Ecclesiastical pronunciation, but doesn't make it clear if this lack is found in the pronunciation of non-Italians only or of Italians as well. The table in the article on Latin regional pronunciation explicitly states that the Italian version does have the contrast. 78.154.15.163 (talk) 00:15, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Have you tried listening to actual examples of (Italian) Ecclesiastical Latin? Nicodene (talk) 11:36, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relying on personal knowledge only would be original research. If they aren't used, you should provide a source for that, and in that case it is the article Latin regional pronunciation that is wrong and must be corrected. --Anonymous44 (talk) 13:24, 16 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]

OK, a source has been posted on the relevant Wiktionary talk page. Not sure if it is quite enough, but it does strongly suggest that the Latin regional pronunciation is wrong and that maintaining the distinction, while common in practice, is considered non-standard.--Anonymous44 (talk) 14:06, 16 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Labialised velar in Ecclesiastical Latin

The pronunciation given for ⟨qu⟩ is [kʷ]. In actual Italian, it's [kw], not [kʷ]. Why this claim and what is its source? Anonymous44 (talk) 13:14, 16 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I do not know but its false also the quotation in classical Latin from Virgil is straight up as unsourced as the Ecclesiastical Latin passage from Aquinas. Theopedias (talk) 17:22, 30 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

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Example of Italianate ecclesiastical pronunciation

Labialised velar in Ecclesiastical Latin

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