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Query
[edit]Should there not be some discussion of his drinking and probable drug use?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.16.150.157 (talk) 19:04, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- See WP:BLP; such material would have to be included only under the policy there. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 02:55, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Recent victory
[edit]Didn't Jimmy win another ranking tournament a couple of weeks ago? Anyone know the details? --ALargeElk 09:07, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- You're right, he won the Players Championship. I'll add it in. --Auximines 09:24, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Jimmy Brown
[edit]He's just changed his name by deed poll to 'Jimmy Brown' (BBC). What's the consequence for this article, then? Hig Hertenfleurst 21:50, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Regardless what's done, if anything, note that according to that article, it may only be a temporary change: "White, who changed his name by deed poll, plans to keep his new title for the duration of the Masters - and possibly even the World Championships". -- Jugalator 22:09, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
Disambiguation
[edit]I have removed the ref. to the above, as the "JImmy White" involved in it was certainly not 'the' Jimmy White and, anyhow, has no separate article page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bigpad (talk • contribs) .
- I reverted your edit. The purpose of these disambiguation notes are that somebody may be looking for information on the men involved in the GTR and come here to see if there's anything about Jimmy White the train robber. If we don't put the message there, people may assume that the one and only Jimmy White is this one, both snooker player and train robber! BigBlueFish 11:33, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed. WP:BLP strongly implies that this DAB hatnote is required, not just a convenience. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 01:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
NPOV dispute
[edit]Administrator has been asked to remove neutrailty dispute. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bigpad (talk • contribs) .
- I put the NPOV template up there because the article is nauseatingly complimentary of White. It requires quite a lot of work - I could delete all the biased sentences but the article wouldn't flow properly. What's needed are some properly sourced facts demonstrating his success. BigBlueFish 11:33, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Still has problems a year later. A lot of progress was made, but POV, weasel-words phrasing, and other issues have crept back in. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 01:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
NPOV edit
[edit]
Hi, I have edited this article substantially to cut down on the eologising tone. I hope that's enough to justify me also having removed the NPOV: ok? Regards, Patrick
- Didn't go far enough. It is utterly inappropriate for an encyclopedia article to use a phrase like "the finest". — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 11:15, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
- Hi, I think the use of "the finest" is ok, as it says "the finest never to have won the World Championship". The rest of the article details the subject's achievements, which most players would die for, to illustrate this point, and the use of "is widely regarded as [the finest..]" is unquestionably true. Overall, I don't see a real POV issue here? All the best, bigpad 12:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
- Negatory. The breadth of the assertion is irrelevant; it is still totally beyond the pale for an encyclopedia article to label someone superlatively, even if only in reference to their local neighborhood, or that year, or among 1-armed, blind players, or whatever. It is not for WP to say who is finest; that is solely, totally, for external sources! This isn't even questionable, it's hard-core WP fact. See WP:NPOV. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 18:35, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
- Hi, I think the use of "the finest" is ok, as it says "the finest never to have won the World Championship". The rest of the article details the subject's achievements, which most players would die for, to illustrate this point, and the use of "is widely regarded as [the finest..]" is unquestionably true. Overall, I don't see a real POV issue here? All the best, bigpad 12:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
- PS: Patrick, no criticism whatsoever intended of your cleanup edits so far, just to be clear. I'm not in any way attacking your edits, which I think have been a boon. I'm simply replying here under "NPOV edit" because it's the relevant extant topic (in lieu of creating a new redundant one) for the issue I'm raising. "Didn't go far enough" was meant to be ironic, not critical. Hope that clarifies. :-) — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 18:39, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
- PPS: Bigpad, regarding my latest edit summary: "Restoring "POV-section" tag per talk page comments; won't fight re-revert, but hope that it would be well-discussed on talk page; article DOES need improvement in this regard per WP policy/guidelines." — It's not that I want this "warning" tag to be in place, it's that I want the article text to improve here. I could "just do it", but I prefer to defer to longer-term editors of an article. I.e., I'm asking you to fix it, more or less. If you decline, please let me know and I'll add it to my to-do list (or if you strongly object to what I'm proposing, say so here, of course. :-) — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 18:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
- Hi again, no worries. Have a look at most recent edit and see if you and others think it is now toned down enough bigpad 22:29, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
- Good show!
OnlyNPOV thing I can think of remaining is the term "gripping". There is probably a less emotional way to say that, such as "edge-of-the-seat" or "neck-and-neck" or something (i.e. something that describes the spectators or the action, not the encyclopedia "narrator"). The rest of the material looks great! — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 08:07, 1 February 2007 (UTC) Update: The article has been subsequently edited to introduce more POV. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 08:42, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
- Good show!
- Hi again, ok see what I hope is close to a final revision. All the best, bigpad 09:48, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
It'sIt was really shaping up. NB: There's no such thing as a final revision at WP! Heh. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 23:48, 1 February 2007 (UTC) Update: The article has, sadly, been subsequently edited to introduce more POV. The larger topic this is a subtopic of therefore remains unresolved. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 08:42, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
- Hi again, ok see what I hope is close to a final revision. All the best, bigpad 09:48, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Suggestions for improving article
[edit]I've noticed a great deal of sensitivity and debate regarding any update to this article. I would therefore make a couple of suggestions - which you can take on board if you so desire. My particular issue is with the article's heading.
1. James "Jimmy" Warren White, MBE (born 2 May 1962) is an English professional snooker player often considered one of the most popular players in the sport, past or present.[attribution needed]
- White IS considered "one of the most popular players in the sport, past or present" - arenas are usually sold out when he plays and he is often given a wildcard to participate in events which he doesn't qualify by right - proof of his popularity. Think that should be accepted as attribution / citation.
2. He first played snooker at a very young age and a natural aptitude led to a successful amateur career culminating in his victory in the world amateur snooker championship in Australia in 1980 at the age of 18. Turning professional soon afterwards, his crowd-pleasing style and ability made an immediate impact at this level
- I thought the heading to a biography is designed to give a brief summary of achievements (see Tiger Woods for example) and the World Amateur Championship win is not what White will be remembered for. This section in the heading could be chopped to further down the article and replaced with a summary of his career eg He was the youngest player to win the World Amateur Snooker Champion in 1980, aged 18. He went on to win many ranking titles and reached the World Professional Championship Final on six occcasions but has so far failed to win the most prestigious title of all.
3. Bit of a re-write would be my suggestion, I'd be interested on other's thoughts - but I'm not editing the article because I know it'll be immediately reverted. Seedybob2 09:26, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
- Wikipedia articles cannot make claims of this sort without reliable external sources for them; it is forbidden "original research" under WP:NOR/WP:ATT, and it is also a violation of WP:NPOV. This exact issue was just discussed at one's talk page or other recently (or somewhere related; it could potentially have been at RfC or the VPump, or at Wikipedia talk:Attribution/Community discussion; I've been bouncing around a lot lately) but there was virtually no counter-debate at all against the clear consensus that WP is not, ever, itself in a position to declare someone (or anything) "one of the most popular ever", "the world's greatest", or any other such laudatory, sweeping claim. Another way of putting it: You assert that arenas sell out, that he gets wildcard placement in tournaments, etc., but these claims (the selling out, the commonness of wildcards) are not sourced (last I looked; maybe they are now). And neither of them prove he's popular. Crappy bands with one hit single regularly sell out shows for a year or two and then vanish forever. (And sell what out - what are the sizes of the venues? And so on...) What if he simply has friends on the inside that ensure he gets a wildcard? Or whatever. It's blatant OR without credible sources. Such sources might be Snooker International magazine (or whatever; is there a major snooker magazine?) giving him a "Most Popular Player of the Year" award, or a poll in which he ranked very high as one of the most popular players. Where is a source for why he keeps getting wildcards? See Irving Crane for an example of a properly-sourced cueist biography, by counter-example.
- Agreed! That cruft needs to be in a standard ==Early life== section, or if not enough material is available, at the very beginning of a standard ==Career== section.
- Agreed! This article needs a lot of work. The facts are mostly there and are getting more and more sourced but NPOV has crept in again and parts of it are starting to read like a magazine again. The narrative flow is choppy. I think this is very much a Good Article candidate after some cleanup, but it will have to be dedicated cleanup for NPOV and NOR/ATT problems, and some of the cleanup may seem like losses of fun stuff to editors in this articlespace who have been ignoring these policies and guidelines (and there are far, far worse articles from this perspective in the cue sports article pace. Many of the Filipino pool player articles, I'm frankly surprised they haven't been AfD'd.) To get back the point, the edit you suggest in particular, I firmly support. We are not a particularly contentious lot around here, when it comes to article flow, so I say just be WP:BOLD and have at it.
- — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 10:40, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
MBE or OBE?
[edit]The introduction says he got an MBE. Further down, it says he got an OBE and then states that the three people to beat him in the world finals also got an MBE. So which is it? wjmt (talk) 14:02, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Judging by other internet sources I think he's definitely just MBE, so any OBE comments are in error. Tws45 (talk) 20:46, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
His 2010 147 Break
[edit]According to http://www.snookerlegends.co.uk/results.html, White made a 147 break at the Redhill event on the Snooker Legends Tour. (Click on the Century Breaks Link) Should this be included in his 147 count in the main article? Or is it only for 'official' competitions? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.90.134 (talk) 20:36, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
- The field in the infobox is only for official breaks, but it could be mentioned in the relevant section. Armbrust Talk Contribs 22:34, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
Missing last two years
[edit]I was suprised to see that this article is lacking the last two years? When will these be added? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.203.254.2 (talk) 07:02, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
Round lost in
[edit]this is a problem common to all players I guess but, in the mina box for where a player lost in the Worlds, UK etc, it says R2, the problem is that for example in one year, the R2 was the last 64, whilst in another R2 could be the last 32. Would it be possible to put, R2/L32 as applicable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.203.254.3 (talk) 05:41, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
Nickname
[edit]Superfly Jimmy Snooker? That's got to be a joke, right? Superfly Jimmy Snuka is a retired wrestler. I can't find any reference to this as a nickname for Jimmy White. I'm removing it, if anyone can see a reason to reinsert it, perhaps discuss here first. Sbutler (talk) 15:36, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
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James Brown
[edit]When did Jimmy White change his name back to “James White”? It was noted that “James Brown” was to be used for the Masters tournament and the world championship in 2005. When did he change his name back?--LeftiePete (talk) 09:47, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
Greatest achievements.
[edit]Although very impressive, Shouldn't his Masters triumph, UK title and six World Championship final appearances take precedence over senior titles and Six-red titles in the lede? MattSucci (talk) 05:42, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
Video game mention?
[edit]He has/has endorsed 4 games. Seems worthy of a mention. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_White%27s_%27Whirlwind%27_Snooker 108.30.105.6 (talk) 08:31, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
Dave Gilbert
[edit]In the 1976–1991 section, a link is made to Dave Gilbert who wasn't even born at the time the match had been played. Splićanin (talk) 12:55, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
- Fixed! Canary757 (talk) 12:31, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
References to older facts
[edit]I am currently struggling to find references in the 1976-91 section for: 1) his early round scores in 1979 English Amateur Championship 2} Losing British u-19 final to Gilbert 3) The Pontins spring open where he lost to Davis 4) The 1980 Demmy pro-am
Any suggestions where I might find any of these? @BennyOnTheLoose I hope you don't mind me pinging you, would any of your books have one or more of these facts in? Many thanks. Canary757 (talk) 05:42, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Canary757: I've made a start on adding references, and am also adding a few details. I feel like the article is a little unbalanced towards his later career, and that the earlier sections could be expanded a bit. I'll do this, but feel free to trim out anything that seems unnecessary. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:15, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- Thankyou for your edits. I agree regarding balance and will try and trim a bit from later sections. The personal life section needs improving so I will look into that. Canary757 (talk) 13:02, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- I think the 'shot of the century' might need to be removed. It's difficult to find many references stating that and I'm sure there are other contenders. Canary757 (talk) 07:48, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Agree with removing "shot of the century" - might be diffrent if it was a recognised authority such as Clive Everton using the phrase. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 10:52, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Are you happier with the balance of the article now BennyOnTheLoose? In terms of potential issues with the article, the specific 1984 WC final details aren't in the reference. The fact about Davis losing for the first time in four years (in 1990) is also not referenced and neither is the fact about him reaching his first ranking quarter-final for ten years at the 2016 Paul Hunter Classic. Re: Tenball, aside from the fact that it wasn't a pure snooker tournament, the references on its page don't appear to confirm the score (ukgameshows gives the outcome only). I wonder if the personal life could be expanded to better reflect his reported party lifestyle in the 80's? Canary757 (talk) 14:53, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- It's getting there! I have a few things to add that aren't directly about his performances - Dodgy Bob, the makeover under Lisberg, signing with Barry Hearn etc. Personal life and In the media need a bit of work, and I'm happy to tackle those sections. Probably more to add to legacy too. I wonder if the Pool section should just be taken into 1992–2002 rather than being separate? Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:22, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Hi, Is there any more content you wish to add BennyOnTheLoose or any sections that you think in particular still need improving? I think the balance looks a lot better now. Not sure what to say about the performance and ranking timeline, they become a problem with such a long career. Other than removing the minor tournaments (not sure if that is allowed?) I'm not not sure what to suggest. Canary757 (talk) 09:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Canary757: I think the content is pretty reasonable now. With two autobiographies, a full length bio, and loads of other sources, the article can't cover everything. One thing that will almost certainly be picked up in a GA review is the large number of duplicate links (see MOS:LINKONCE). The duplinks-alt sidebar tool is very useful for identifying possible issues. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 20:37, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- My link strategy was to treat each significant section (79-92) (2016-) etc separately, Rodney Baggins and Lee Vilenski have done the same in their GA nom Zhao Xintong. For example, Ronnie has links in 12-16, 16-20, 24-25 sections. It seems to vary across pages. I have removed 7 or 8 excess ones on this page I think. Thanks for the app recommendation. Canary757 (talk) 09:49, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Canary757: I think the content is pretty reasonable now. With two autobiographies, a full length bio, and loads of other sources, the article can't cover everything. One thing that will almost certainly be picked up in a GA review is the large number of duplicate links (see MOS:LINKONCE). The duplinks-alt sidebar tool is very useful for identifying possible issues. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 20:37, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Hi, Is there any more content you wish to add BennyOnTheLoose or any sections that you think in particular still need improving? I think the balance looks a lot better now. Not sure what to say about the performance and ranking timeline, they become a problem with such a long career. Other than removing the minor tournaments (not sure if that is allowed?) I'm not not sure what to suggest. Canary757 (talk) 09:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- It's getting there! I have a few things to add that aren't directly about his performances - Dodgy Bob, the makeover under Lisberg, signing with Barry Hearn etc. Personal life and In the media need a bit of work, and I'm happy to tackle those sections. Probably more to add to legacy too. I wonder if the Pool section should just be taken into 1992–2002 rather than being separate? Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:22, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Are you happier with the balance of the article now BennyOnTheLoose? In terms of potential issues with the article, the specific 1984 WC final details aren't in the reference. The fact about Davis losing for the first time in four years (in 1990) is also not referenced and neither is the fact about him reaching his first ranking quarter-final for ten years at the 2016 Paul Hunter Classic. Re: Tenball, aside from the fact that it wasn't a pure snooker tournament, the references on its page don't appear to confirm the score (ukgameshows gives the outcome only). I wonder if the personal life could be expanded to better reflect his reported party lifestyle in the 80's? Canary757 (talk) 14:53, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Agree with removing "shot of the century" - might be diffrent if it was a recognised authority such as Clive Everton using the phrase. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 10:52, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- I think the 'shot of the century' might need to be removed. It's difficult to find many references stating that and I'm sure there are other contenders. Canary757 (talk) 07:48, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Thankyou for your edits. I agree regarding balance and will try and trim a bit from later sections. The personal life section needs improving so I will look into that. Canary757 (talk) 13:02, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Canary757: I've made a start on adding references, and am also adding a few details. I feel like the article is a little unbalanced towards his later career, and that the earlier sections could be expanded a bit. I'll do this, but feel free to trim out anything that seems unnecessary. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:15, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
I propose removing 1992 Super League from the list of non-ranking finals - this consisted of James Wattana playing each of five opponents twice. White received £20k for doing the best against Wattana, but Wattana won seven of the ten matches. I think it's more like an exhibition series than a tournament - it wasn't a round-robin as all matches involved Wattana. (Ref: "Nescafe League is to Wattana's taste", Snooker Scene, July 1992, pp 4-5.) BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 10:52, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Removed.Canary757 (talk) 11:09, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
I also suggest removing "Scottish Masters Qualifying Event" from the list of non-ranking finals. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 10:52, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Removed. Canary757 (talk) 11:09, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
The Performance and rankings timeline is horrendous. Even on desktop it's almost impossible to navigate. Any ideas? BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 10:52, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Will look into this, I don't think I've ever updated/changed one of these tbh. Should Tenball be included in the non ranking finals chart, It was a pool/snooker hybrid? Canary757 (talk) 11:13, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- I'm inclined to delete Tenball. It would perhaps have been worth adding to the prose, but I can't find a reliable source for results. (It's not mentioned in Malone's book or in White's autobiographies, not can I find a newspaper source) BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:49, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
White was in the film Perfect Break but I'm not sure wheteher it merits inclusion. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:50, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- No issue if you choose to add it, but looks pretty minor to me, a noticeable lack of reviews for it. I will move the pool stuff into the career section, probably tomorrow. Canary757 (talk) 13:39, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
Internet Archive Bot
[edit]I tried running the Internet Archive bot on this page, but after 'analysing' for 15-20 mins, the screen then went blank and stayed like it. Canary757 (talk) 18:01, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
Seniors 900
[edit]Hi, sorry for the ping @BennyOnTheLoose, but do you think the recent addition (reverted twice) of three additional seniors events into the non-ranking chart should be manually put back into the article again? Trying to avoid an edit war breaking out. Thanks. Canary757 (talk) 14:06, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not a 'fan' of invitational tournaments which include 'ball-in-hand' and shot-clocks!
- However, if there's a consensus to include those events, then fine.
- I've reverted some edits recently from a banned user, who was keen to add those competitions... Woodlandscaley (talk) 16:22, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
- Canary757 I think we should exclude these. I assume that with the new snooker channel there will be loads of these 900 events in the coming months, which will be a bit disproportionate if we include them all. Pehaps in future a new section for 900 events? For now there seems to be unanimity among non-banned editors not to include them Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
- Okay, that's fine, thanks for sharing your thoughts. Canary757 (talk) 06:22, 23 October 2025 (UTC)
- Canary757 I think we should exclude these. I assume that with the new snooker channel there will be loads of these 900 events in the coming months, which will be a bit disproportionate if we include them all. Pehaps in future a new section for 900 events? For now there seems to be unanimity among non-banned editors not to include them Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
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[edit]Reviewer: Metalicat (talk) 13:10, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
This is a thorough and well-researched article on one of snooker's most recognisable figures. The sourcing is strong throughout, with good use of newspaper archives, Snooker Scene magazine, books and reliable web sources. I've read through the article in detail and have some points below, mostly minor prose and MoS issues with a few sourcing queries.
Colour coding: "suggested new text" and "existing text that could be changed".
General comments
[edit]- The lead is well-written and covers the key aspects of his career. One small point: the lead says he has "won ten ranking events" in the first sentence, which is then repeated almost verbatim in the third paragraph with "White's ten ranking event titles currently place him twelfth...". Consider trimming the repetition.
- Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:09, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks, that reads much better now. Metalicat (talk) 23:19, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
- Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:09, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
- Throughout the article, there are several instances where "however" and "despite" are used quite frequently, sometimes in close succession. A pass to vary the connectives would tighten the prose.I've removed a fair few. Canary757
- The article uses "he" and "White" alternation well for the most part, but in a few places two or three sentences in a row begin with "White" or "He", which becomes a bit repetitive. A light restructuring in those spots would improve the flow. ce to improve. Canary757
Early life and influences
[edit]- "He never achieved academic success, as he was often truant from school from the age of eight or nine, spending more and more time at Ted Zanincelli's snooker hall, Zan's." This sentence does a lot of work. Consider splitting it: "He never achieved academic success and was often truant from school from the age of eight or nine. He spent increasing amounts of time at Ted Zanincelli's snooker hall, Zan's."
- "with stakes put up by taxi driver "Dodgy Bob" Davis, who also drove them to the venues." The nickname is colourful but is it how the sources refer to him? If so, fine; just flagging in case this is informal shorthand. (I suspect from the book sources it is the standard way he's referred to, in which case no issue.)
- The Belfast Telegraph source has a typo in the original URL: "ecapades" rather than "escapades". This doesn't affect the citation itself, but worth noting.
- "Speaking much later about Higgins' influence on his career, White said that watching Higgins play in the 1970s was..." Two uses of "Higgins" in quick succession. Consider: "Speaking much later about Higgins' influence on his career, White said that watching him play in the 1970s was..."
- "In 1976, club owner Henry West, who managed leading snooker prospect Patsy Fagan, met White at Zan's and became the manager for him and Meo." "...became his and Meo's manager" or "...became manager for both White and Meo" would read more naturally.
- 1,4,5. Amended per suggestion.
- 2. As some examples, this appears in Burn (1986), White & Kingsland (1998), Malone (2009), and Everton (2012).
- 3. Noted. According to WP:SIC, "For the sake of accuracy and indexing, the titles of referenced sources should not be corrected for spelling". BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:39, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for confirming the sources and making the changes. fair point on WP:SIC. Metalicat (talk) 23:19, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
Career: 1977–1991
[edit]- "White lost 2–3 to Meo in the final of the 1977 Pontins Junior Championship" Good to start with the early career, but since the previous section ends in 1976, the transition is smooth.
- "He won the London Section of the tournament by defeating Danny Adds 4–1 in the final" Should "Section" be capitalised? If that's the official name used in sources then fine, but if not, lowercase may be more appropriate.
- "The Billiards and Snooker Control Council decided to exclude White from the 1980 World Amateur Snooker Championship as a punishment because he appeared to have been impaired by drinking alcohol during a Home International match against Steve Newbury, but reversed that decision the following week." This is a long sentence. Consider splitting after "Steve Newbury" with a full stop, then starting a new sentence: "The decision was reversed the following week."
- "He sealed victory with an 11–2 win against Ron Atkins and became the youngest winner of the title." The "sealed victory" phrasing implies he was already winning. Since this was the final, perhaps "He won the final 11–2 against Ron Atkins, becoming the youngest winner of the title."
- "A photoshoot with Patrick Lichfield was arranaged to provide press pictures." Typo: "arranged".
- "At the start of the 1981–82 snooker season, White won his first professional title, the non-ranking Scottish Masters, having defeated Ray Reardon and Davis in matches that went to a deciding frame before beating Cliff Thorburn 9–4 in the final." Another long sentence. Consider splitting after "deciding frame".
- "White trailed 0–3 and 1–4 but then won eight frames in succession to win the title and the £8,000 first prize." This works, but "in succession" could be "consecutively" or just "in a row" to vary from the formal tone.
- "but Davis whitewashed him 0–9 in their semi-final at the 1981 UK Championship" The term "whitewashed" is used in snooker circles but it's worth checking it appears naturally elsewhere in the article too. It does appear once more ("was whitewashed in the first session 0–7" in the 1991 World Championship paragraph), which is fine for consistency.
- "He led Alex Higgins 15–14 in their semi-final, and was 59 points ahead in the penultimate frame." The shift from "semi-final" to "penultimate frame" is slightly abrupt. Consider: "He led Alex Higgins 15–14 in their semi-final. In the penultimate frame, White was 59 points ahead when..." to improve the flow into the next sentence.
- "Reflecting on the match many years later, White said 'facing him (Alex Higgins) at the Crucible in Sheffield is what I had dreamt about from when I was 10 years old.'" The parenthetical "(Alex Higgins)" within the quote is presumably an editorial insertion for clarity. If so, it should be in square brackets per standard convention: "facing him [Alex Higgins]".
- "White reached the final of the second of these, the 1982 Professional Players Tournament where he was defeated 8–10 by Reardon." Comma needed after "Tournament": "...the 1982 Professional Players Tournament, where he was defeated 8–10 by Reardon.".
- "White took a 7–0 lead against Thorburn in the 1985 Matchroom Trophy final, but was beaten 10–12." Given the remarkable nature of this collapse (7–0 to 10–12), is there a source that describes what happened in between? If so, a brief note would strengthen this.
- "However, he defeated Thorburn in a final-frame decider to win his first ranking title, the Classic." The "However" at the start contrasts with the previous paragraph (Masters final loss), which works, but consider whether a more direct transition might be smoother given the paragraph break.
- "In the deciding frame of the third session, White required one snooker; he snookered Thorburn on the final pink ball and after Thorburn failed to hit the pink, White potted pink and black for victory." Good dramatic detail. Minor point: "potted pink and black" could be "potted the pink and black" for clarity.
- "the addition of White meant that Matchroom managed seven of the top 13 players." Should "top 13" be "top thirteen"? Per MOS:NUMERAL, numbers under twenty in running prose are generally spelled out, but sporting context sometimes uses numerals. Either way, consistency with the rest of the article is the key thing.
- "White was part of the England team that were crowned the 1988 Snooker World Cup winners." Consider: "White was part of the England team that won the 1988 Snooker World Cup." More direct.
- "He played Griffiths and, trailing 11–13, lost a tied frame on a re-spotted black. Griffiths went on to reach the final courtesy of an 11–16 win." The "11–16 win" is the match result, not just the frame. This is clear in context but a very minor rewording could help: "Griffiths went on to win the match 16–11 and reach the final." (Also note the score should read with the winner's score first if describing Griffiths' victory.)
- "The reprieve was short-lived as White was beaten 7–13 by eventual finalist John Parrott in the quarter-finals." "reprieve" is a slightly loaded term. Consider "The win was short-lived consolation" or simply restructuring.
- 2. I dont know whether this is the official title, so amended.
- 3,4,5,6,7. Amended per suggestions. 8-18 all done bar 12. I unfortunately have no access to the source. Canary757
- I've expanded a bit on 12 and also added an online reference. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 01:00, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
Career: 1992–2002
[edit]- "In 1992. White collected his second British Open title" Typo: full stop should be a comma. "In 1992, White collected...".
- "Reflecting back on the game in 2025, White said ' I was 14–8 up against Hendry...'" There is a space before "I" inside the quotation marks. Remove the extra space.
- "Your brain just gets fuzzled." This is a direct quote so it's fine as is, but the shift from third person narration to "Your" in the quote is slightly jarring. A brief framing word before the quote would help: "White said: 'I was 14–8 up...'" (which is already there, so this is fine on reflection).
- "White has stated that this was among the best matches he has ever played." The citation is just [1] with no page number. Can a page number be added for verification?
- "White won twelve successive frames during his match against Wattana en route to a 16–9 victory." This is in the 1993 World Championship section but the match was the semi-final. Consider clarifying: "...during his semi-final match against Wattana...".
- "For the fourth time in five years, White's opponent in the final was Hendry and the defending champion opened up a 1–5 lead." Comma after "Hendry": "...the final was Hendry, and the defending champion opened up a 1–5 lead.".
- "After the match, White, speaking about Hendry, said 'He's beginning to annoy me.'" The comma placement creates a slightly awkward construction. Consider: "After the match, White said of Hendry: 'He's beginning to annoy me.'".
- "During the 1994–95 season, White was diagnosed with testicular cancer. He recovered after receiving treatment." This is handled with appropriate brevity, which is good.
- "Shortly after it emerged that large sums of money had been placed on White to win the match by the eventual scoreline." This could benefit from a slight rewrite: "Shortly afterwards, it emerged that large sums of money had been placed on White to win the match by the exact scoreline.".
- "White's wait for an elusive world crown continued as he was knocked out of the first round of the 1999 World Championship by McManus 7–10." "elusive world crown" is slightly editorialising. Consider "White was knocked out of the first round of the 1999 World Championship by McManus 7–10.".
- "White entered the 1999 World Pool Championship where he was knocked out of the tournament by Efren Reyes in a final-frame decider in their last 32 clash." This is a lot of information in one sentence. Consider splitting: "White entered the 1999 World Pool Championship. He was knocked out in the last 32 by Efren Reyes in a final-frame decider.".
- "After regaining his top 16 ranking in the 1999–2000 season, White started 2000 by reaching the semi-finals of the Welsh Open" Slight awkwardness in "started 2000 by reaching". Consider: "After regaining his top 16 ranking in the 1999–2000 season, White reached the semi-finals of the 2000 Welsh Open".
- "issued an immediate apology after hitting the cue ball off the table in frustration when trailing 2–5." Good detail. No issue.
Done bar 4, missing page number (for now) Canary757
Page ref has been added for 4. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:19, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
Career: 2003–2009
[edit]- "White showed some return to form." Slightly vague. What follows demonstrates it well, so this introductory phrase is fine.
- "This sealed his first ranking title since 1992" The inline citation here seems to be a SnookerHQ.com article specifically about the UK Championship, but it's being used to support a claim about the Players Championship. Is this the right source?
- "Before the invitational 2005 Masters, White temporarily changed his name by deed poll to James Brown, due to a sponsorship deal with HP Sauce." Entertaining detail, well-sourced.
- "White lost in the first round of the 2006 World Championship to David Gray 5–10." Then: "As a result, he fell out of the top 32 at the end of the 2005–06 season, having been ranked eighth one year earlier." The drop from 8th to outside the top 32 is dramatic. Is this correct? The previous section says he won a ranking title in 2004 which pushed him "back into the top 10", but going from 8th to outside the top 32 in one season seems unusually steep. If correct, it's fine; just flagging as worth double-checking.
- "White said he was 'devastated' by the defeat." Good use of brief quote.
- "This result contributed to his drop down to number 75 in the provisional world rankings." "This result contributed to his drop to number 75 in the provisional world rankings." (Remove "down" as "drop" already implies the direction.)
Done, checked sources and looks accurate, ref supports first ranking title since... Canary757
Career: 2009–2016
[edit]- "Due to this, and skipping the UK Championship for I'm a Celebrity...Get Me out of Here!" The programme title here says "out" but later in the Media section it says "Out" (capitalised). Check which is correct and make consistent. (The official title capitalises "Out".)
- "After 12 out of 12 events White was ranked 34th in the Order of Merit." Comma after "events": "After 12 out of 12 events, White was ranked 34th in the Order of Merit.".
- "unusual for the fact that he potted the first ball off the break, meaning his opponent never played a shot in the frame." This is interesting detail. Consider whether "unusual for the fact that" could be tightened: "unusually, he potted the first ball off the break, meaning his opponent never played a shot in the frame.".
- "In November 2014, while speaking about the World Championship, White said, 'I'm not finished yet...I still have very strong belief I can win it.'" The ellipsis in the quote: is this in the original source or has text been omitted? If omitted, it should be [...] per MOS:ELLIPSIS.
- "Despite this optimism, both the 2014–15 season and 2015–16 season ended in disappointment when White lost in qualifying for the World Championship, to Matthew Selt and Gerard Greene respectively." "...both the 2014–15 and 2015–16 seasons ended in disappointment..." (avoids repeating "season").
Done. Canary757
Career: 2016–present
[edit]- "White made it to the quarter-finals of a ranking event for the first time in over a decade at the 2016 Paul Hunter Classic in Germany, but he exited the tournament with a 2–4 defeat against Dale." Dale hasn't been mentioned for a while. "...a 2–4 defeat against Dominic Dale." First mention in a new section should use the full name.
- "He finished the 2016–17 season outside the top 64 and lost his tour card after 37 years as a professional, but World Snooker Tour decided to give White a two-year invitational tour card." Missing article: "but the World Snooker Tour decided...".
- "becoming the oldest player to reach the last 32 since Eddie Charlton in 1993." Good historical context.
- "White then proceeded to reach the last 16 of the WST Classic in March, beating Judd Trump 4–2 along the way." "proceeded to reach" is a bit wordy. "White then reached the last 16 of the WST Classic in March, beating Judd Trump 4–2 along the way.".
- "White's run to the last 32 of the Northern Ireland Open was his best result of the 2024–25 season and his ranking subsequently dropped to 93, thus relegating him from the World Snooker Tour." The causal link here is slightly unclear: his best result was the last 32, but his ranking still dropped? Consider restructuring: "White's best result of the 2024–25 season was a run to the last 32 of the Northern Ireland Open. His ranking dropped to 93, which meant he was relegated from the World Snooker Tour.".
Done bar 1. I think 'career' counts as one 'major' section. Canary757
Legacy
[edit]- "White has been labelled 'The People's Champion' by the media" Good, well-sourced.
- "Brendan Cooper wrote in his 2023 book..." and "The snooker historian Clive Everton concluded in 2012..." These two assessments work well to round out the section. However, the section is quite short for a player of White's stature. Is there anything else that could be said about his broader cultural impact or influence on the game? This isn't a barrier to passing, just a suggestion for future development.
- I expanded this section a bit. Let me know what you think. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
- The new material on Davis, O'Sullivan, and the Williams & Gadsby and Cooper assessments strengthens the section well; thanks for adding that. Metalicat (talk) 23:19, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
Personal life
[edit]- "White has five children with his ex-wife Maureen." Then later: "In 2018, White began a relationship with beauty queen Jade Slusarczyk, over 20 years his junior." The phrase "over 20 years his junior" doesn't add encyclopaedic value and reads slightly tabloid-ish. Consider removing or replacing with something more neutral.
- "White recalled going with friends to retrieve his brother's body from a coffin before the funeral, and bringing it to a table where the group played cards and drank." This is striking and sourced. Fine as is.
- "White has also shared his experiences with alcohol and gambling issues, claiming he believes that he lost around £2m to gambling alone." "claiming he believes" is double-hedging. "stating that he believes" or simply "estimating that he lost around £2m to gambling alone" would be cleaner.
- "In 2025, White revealed that he had been diagnosed with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), a year or two previously." The comma before "a year or two previously" creates a slightly awkward pause. "In 2025, White revealed that he had been diagnosed with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) a year or two previously.".
1,3,4. Amended - does ""White has five children with his ex-wife Maureen." need something? BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:36, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
In the media
[edit]- "Jimmy White, Alex Higgins, Kirk Stevens, and Tony Knowles, with Status Quo, released a cover of 'The Wanderer'" The Oxford comma before "and Tony Knowles" is fine, but the sentence structure with the second comma-separated clause "with Status Quo" is a bit tangled. Consider: "Jimmy White, Alex Higgins, Kirk Stevens and Tony Knowles released a cover of 'The Wanderer' by Dion, recorded with Status Quo.".
- "The following year, after he had signed to Matchroom, White was one of the players who recorded 'Romford Rap' with Chas & Dave." Fine.
- "His instructional book Jimmy White's Snooker Masterclass (1988), co-written with coach Charles Poole, was aimed at players who had already grasped the basics of the game." This sits a bit oddly between music releases and film appearances. Consider grouping media appearances by type (music, books, film/TV, video games) for better flow. Not essential, but would improve readability.
- "White played himself (as the World Billiards Champion) in Stephen Chow's 1990 kung fu and billiards comedy film" Is "World Billiards Champion" his character's title in the film? If so, fine, but if not, it could be confusing since White was never World Billiards Champion in real life.
- "On 23 September 2019, White published an apology on his official Facebook page to Kirk Stevens" This paragraph about the Stevens apology is quite detailed for what is essentially a correction to his autobiography. Consider whether it could be trimmed slightly without losing the key information.
- The video games paragraph at the end works well.
Done. Canary757
Performance and rankings timeline
[edit]- The table is comprehensive and well-formatted. No issues.
Career finals
[edit]- The tables are thorough and well-sourced. The non-ranking finals table includes 49 entries which demonstrates the depth of research.
One minor point: in the ranking finals table, there are two shades used for runner-up results in the European Open row (one uses "thistle" background, the other doesn't). Check these are consistent. Looking more closely, this may be intentional to distinguish a different era of the tournament, but it's not immediately clear.
- I'm not sure which rows the European Open comment is about - please could you ley me know which years? Thanks. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 20:36, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
- Apologies, please disregard that point. I was misreading the performance timeline table, not the career finals. The tables are consistent. Metalicat (talk) 22:46, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
- I'm not sure which rows the European Open comment is about - please could you ley me know which years? Thanks. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 20:36, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
Sourcing
[edit]- The sourcing is generally excellent. Strong use of contemporary newspaper sources via Newspapers.com, Snooker Scene magazine, BBC Sport, and multiple books.
- Several archive URLs are provided which is good practice.
- The SnookerHQ.com source is used frequently. While it appears to be a well-regarded snooker news site run by David Caulfield, it is essentially a blog/enthusiast site. For the claims it supports (mostly factual match results and career milestones), this is acceptable, but for any evaluative or interpretive claims, stronger sources would be preferable. I don't think any current uses are problematic, but worth keeping in mind.
- The spin.ph source used for the Efren Reyes pool match seems a bit obscure. Is there a more mainstream source available for this?
- "White has stated that this was among the best matches he has ever played." cites [1] without a page number. A page number would be helpful.
- The GiveMeSport source for the "shot of the century" claim: GiveMeSport is generally considered a weak source. However, it's supporting a fairly minor claim and is supplementary to other sourcing, so not a major concern.
- I've noted your points and made some changes relating to 4,5 and 6. Please let me know if anything else is required on sourcing. Thanks. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 20:30, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
Thanks for addressing those; I can see the page number has been added, which resolves that query. Metalicat (talk) 23:19, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
GA criteria assessment
[edit]| Criterion | Assessment | Result |
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| 1a | Prose: Generally well-written with good narrative flow through a long career. Some sentences are overly long and could be split. A few minor typos ("arranaged", full stop instead of comma in 1992 section). Minor repetition and word choice issues noted above. All fixable. | needs minor work |
| 1b | MoS: Mostly compliant. Date format is consistent (dmy). Score formatting is consistent. A few minor MoS points flagged above (capitalisation, comma placement, ellipsis formatting). The article correctly uses British English throughout. | needs minor work |
| 2a | Sources: Well-sourced throughout with a strong mix of newspaper archives, books, magazines and reliable web sources. A couple of minor queries about source strength (SnookerHQ, spin.ph, GiveMeSport) but nothing that undermines the article's verifiability. One sfn missing a page number. | Pass |
| 2b | Inline citations: No unsourced claims of significance identified. Good citation density throughout. | Pass |
| 2c | Original research: No original research or synthesis identified. | Pass |
| 3a | Broad coverage: The article covers White's entire career comprehensively, from amateur days through to 2025. Personal life, media appearances, and legacy are all addressed. The Legacy section could potentially be expanded but covers the essentials. | Pass |
| 3b | Focus: The article stays focused on White throughout. The performance timeline and career finals tables are thorough without being excessive for a player of this stature. The 1977–1991 section is quite long but the density of notable events justifies this. | Pass |
| 4 | Neutral: One instance of slightly editorialising language ("elusive world crown") flagged above. Otherwise the article maintains a neutral tone, even when dealing with sensitive topics (drug use, gambling, cancer). Quotes are used appropriately to let White speak for himself. | Pass |
| 5 | Stable: No edit wars or ongoing disputes visible. | Appears to be one Editor conflict. |
| 6 | Images: Images are appropriately licensed and relevant. Good spread across the article. Alt text is provided. | Pass |
Overall this is a strong article that needs only minor prose and MoS fixes to pass. Happy to discuss any of the points above. Metalicat (talk) 13:10, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
- Hello METALICAT. Thank you for such a descriptive and thorough review, it's really appreciated. Just to be transparent, in a London buses idiomatic way, it's all been happening for me the last few days and I need to crack on with Talk:Elinor Barker/GA1 which opened a couple of days ago. I hope to do the next stage of that in the next day or so and this will then be my number one priority. Kind regards. Canary757 (talk) 14:10, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
- Hi Canary757. No rush and no worries. have also noted that one editor keeps trying to add changes without consensus. Im content you have the experience to deal with it in the correct way if required. I also see that the editor has approached your co-nominator via their talk page. Metalicat (talk) 14:34, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
- Hi @METALICAT, this has been annoying, you're right to flag it. It has been an occasional issue on a number of snooker pages, Stephen Hendry in October/February, Stuart Bingham in January, Ken Doherty in October and Jamie Burnett recently too. On Talk:Stephen Hendry and Talk:Stuart Bingham a registered editor has rightly initiated a talk page discussion on the subject but the IP has not replied. I started one myself on the Talk:Jimmy White which BennyOnTheLoose and another editor shared their thoughts. There have been discussions about qualifying events and snooker 900 events (these do not have a wiki page) but there seems to be no consensus to add these into the 'titles' at the present moment. There has been some small discussions in the recent past that are still visible on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Snooker. Thanks. Canary757 (talk) 11:29, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
- Hi Canary757. No rush and no worries. have also noted that one editor keeps trying to add changes without consensus. Im content you have the experience to deal with it in the correct way if required. I also see that the editor has approached your co-nominator via their talk page. Metalicat (talk) 14:34, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
Thanks to BennyOnTheLoose and Canary757 for working through all the points so thoroughly. I've verified the fixes against the current article text and everything from the original review has been addressed.
On criterion 5, the IP editing issue flagged earlier appears to have settled down with no further reversions, and there is a talk page discussion on the subject. I'm satisfied this meets the stability requirement. All six criteria are now met. Passing this as a Good Article. Well done to both nominators on a comprehensive and well-sourced article.
| Criterion | Assessment | Result |
|---|---|---|
| 1a | Prose quality issues all addressed. | Pass |
| 1b | MoS issues all addressed. | Pass |
| 2a | Well-sourced throughout. | Pass |
| 2b | No unsourced claims identified. | Pass |
| 2c | No original research. | Pass |
| 3a | Broad coverage of career, personal life, legacy and media. | Pass |
| 3b | Focused and appropriately detailed. | Pass |
| 4 | Neutral tone maintained throughout. | Pass |
| 5 | Stable. Previous IP editing issue resolved. | Pass |
| 6 | Images appropriately licensed with alt text. | Pass |
Metalicat (talk) 10:33, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
- ^ a b White & Kingsland 1998.
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